Boost DPH BM Damage

[🔩Rull✌]

boost wr make rull great again l m a o

It's not about me. It's about making justice on a class that has been wronged and the joke of every pw server.

[Atemwende]

no that will *** up the locks, and do not bother wr on epw has always been a class to log if u wish to get bullied

+1 Adding channeling to wr seems disgusting in concept, also 50%? Thats 68% total base. Is this the close range melee physical seeker with built in BA?(Blade Affinity)

Just give wr more damage. Channeling, per se, on wr is useless

[Insanity]

dph will never be viable in every situation on a server like this despite being useful in certain times, give up
the only boost you should ask for is being able to aps in r8

[Agatio]

DPH BM is not viable, because it has only few skills which have damage based on the weapon and all these skills have very long casting time that cannot be reduced by -channel add-ons.
Skills of barbarian in comparison are much quicker and many of them offer strong debuff or damage boost, which is something BM doesn't have.
It seems that BM was not designed to compete with other classes in terms of single target DPH, but they have been given the weapons based on the attack speed and also the best crowd control in game with spammable AoEs.

Yes, you can make Hilborn 100%, but it won't change the fact that it will still take 2 years to cast, BUT this should make it good finisher at least. Not sure if changing the cast time would be good choice though, because of how good that skill already is as AoE.
I would rather see River Avalanche cast time / damage changed instead, if that's possible.
Really meh about the idea of giving the BMs Primal Passive exclusively, but this would also be one way to do it.

[AngelOfDeath_]

man wr/wb are shit atm lmao they die faster than aa classes and deal potato damage and our dev only focus on eas.

DPH BM is not viable

[Pain]

play sb, ea or wf if u want to enjoy the game

[forum user]

Really meh about the idea of giving the BMs Primal Passive exclusively, but this would also be one way to do it.

or more atk lv on full r8 set bonus xd

[Bee]

very long casting time that cannot be reduced by -channel add-ons.

I gave Omega's DPH Bm back on a test server about -70 Casting on a bless box and he personally said it made everything extremely faster and it was a major difference when paired with Skill Sender. I would suggest at least trying some of the things we suggest here before brushing off the class or build as un-useable. Because as you have seen even useless classes and builds can be made useful again as you have seen with Demon Ea.


But even still. I have peaked a few times at skill vars in GS and a lot can be done. I am sure their casting speeds can be adjusted to not be ***ing awful. And by not awful I mean as fast if not faster then barb skills since 99% of barb dph skills CANT MISS aka 100% accuracy

[🔩Rull✌]

Thanks for all of your input guys.

Here's something i posted on another thread in response to similar questions.

BM skills do not channel skills in .3 seconds, and yes i am aware that casting time will not be decreased by using this method. The purpose of adding channeling is to make the class be able to transition from skill to skill more fluently to adequately adapt and deal damage.

I will now try to respond to your comments to the best of my ability. Please take in mind, these are all just my opinion.

+1 Adding channeling to wr seems disgusting in concept, also 50%? Thats 68% total base. Is this the close range melee physical seeker with built in BA?(Blade Affinity)

Just give wr more damage. Channeling, per se, on wr is useless

I disagree on adding channeling being useless. Adding channeling would allow us to have a better transition from skill to skill, which would be making up for the longer cooldown of some skills. I have tested this before, and if you'd be interested in checking out a video on how viable it is, i would like to refer you to my youtube channel.

dph will never be viable in every situation on a server like this despite being useful in certain times, give up
the only boost you should ask for is being able to aps in r8

In the words of Tech N9ne,

Winners are not people who never fail, but people who never quit

Being able to aps in r8 is possible, but just like DPH it is a playstyle, and some people prefer DPH over APS.

or more atk lv on full r8 set bonus xd

I did see this comment by you before, but at the time i didn't have the time to respond.

Attack levels are good and all, but it wouldn't change the fact that BM damage would be erased as soon as defense gears and defense weapons were involved in the mix. The reason i suggested Skill damage over Attack Levels is because that type of damage is more consistent with skills that have a % of damage as opposed to the flat value of it. It is also much more easily reversible (if needed be done) than an attack damage boost, or a physical attack boost on any weapon.

man wr/wb are shit atm lmao they die faster than aa classes and deal potato damage and our dev only focus on eas.
 

WB/BM aren't bad, they are just not typically addressed in a constructive manner. DPH/APS wise however, WB is superior at this time to BM. My purpose with writing this is to try and bring about a bit of fair play to BM back.

The WB/Wr community is small, and not a lot people speak up about it. Burdette is doing what he can for every class, he does not only worry about EA, but Yes it may seem he does because, well, that's the only class everyone complains about either being too weak in one aspect (Demon EA) Or just being too strong on others (Ea in general).

play sb, ea or wf if u want to enjoy the game

Nahh

DPH BM is not viable, because it has only few skills which have damage based on the weapon and all these skills have very long casting time that cannot be reduced by -channel add-ons.
Skills of barbarian in comparison are much quicker and many of them offer strong debuff or damage boost, which is something BM doesn't have.
It seems that BM was not designed to compete with other classes in terms of single target DPH, but they have been given the weapons based on the attack speed and also the best crowd control in game with spammable AoEs.

Yes, you can make Hilborn 100%, but it won't change the fact that it will still take 2 years to cast, BUT this should make it good finisher at least. Not sure if changing the cast time would be good choice though, because of how good that skill already is as AoE.
I would rather see River Avalanche cast time / damage changed instead, if that's possible.
Really meh about the idea of giving the BMs Primal Passive exclusively, but this would also be one way to do it.

Your input is very much appreciated. IIRC BM was one of the classes you played the most, so this is probably a topic of interest for you.

The long cast time on skills is definitely an issue that BM has with its skills and part of the reason it is not a good pick at this time. However, we do have shorter length skills which we use to wear down charms and ultimately does lead to results.

I tested high CT BM on another place, and was able to witness how viable it is, by using smaller cast time skills in the order that follows:

Drakes Ray > Ferocious Leap > Army Crusher > Ocean's Edge

This of couse is followed by locking procedures, as well as the constant use of Flame Tsunami, Star Smite, Smack and River Avalanche as control skills and damaging skills... And some times Glacial Spike/Heaven's Flame for amplifying skills.

This works very well when i tried it, but i did think that this server would be affected differently, because i tried 99%  CT as opposed to 68/78%, which is my desired amount here. On a last note, my idea of just making Hillborn a 100% came exactly from the same thought process you mentioned - being a finisher. It's probably one of our most powerful skills, can't make it too powerful now because it'd take away from the rest of the damage kit.

My YouTube channel is This. Please feel welcome to check out my latest video if you'd like to see how i tested this out in the past. Thank you all for taking the time to respond.

[🔩Rull✌]

I gave Omega's DPH Bm back on a test server about -70 Casting on a bless box and he personally said it made everything extremely faster and it was a major difference when paired with Skill Sender. I would suggest at least trying some of the things we suggest here before brushing off the class or build as un-useable. Because as you have seen even useless classes and builds can be made useful again as you have seen with Demon Ea.


But even still. I have peaked a few times at skill vars in GS and a lot can be done. I am sure their casting speeds can be adjusted to not be ***ing awful. And by not awful I mean as fast if not faster then barb skills since 99% of barb dph skills CANT MISS aka 100% accuracy

 And skills like Blood Bath do give an accuracy advantage to WB. Two different kits from two different classes of course, but it's good to point out that BM is indeed much more affected by accuracy than WB.

[Insanity]

In the words of Tech N9ne,

Winners are not people who never fail, but people who never quit

Being able to aps in r8 is possible, but just like DPH it is a playstyle, and some people prefer DPH over APS.

messing with channeling is pure retarded it kills the ability to cancel skills at crucial moments, and yes it does matter
when you can dph a wb to death, i'd call it viable, if you boost dph to the level where you smoke wbs out, what about arcanes? they are doomed
eitherway it's not viable as a constant playstyle, dph in mass as side damage to other dds works pretty fine and you could take out few squishy targets with the right debuffs, works the same in small pvp events, but 1v1 depends on who you're fighting and mostly it never ends well

[Mars Attacks!]

Jesus Christ... This guy crying for boost again

[Bee]

messing with channeling is pure retarded it kills the ability to cancel skills at crucial moments, and yes it does matter
when you can dph a wb to death, i'd call it viable, if you boost dph to the level where you smoke wbs out, what about arcanes? they are doomed
eitherway it's not viable as a constant playstyle, dph in mass as side damage to other dds works pretty fine and you could take out few squishy targets with the right debuffs, works the same in small pvp events, but 1v1 depends on who you're fighting and mostly it never ends well

You're retarded. There will be a DPH Blessing that has the accuracy and CT and then a normal one for you aps BMs who arent good enough to re-learn how to time your stuns. Not that you even have to time your shit nowadays anyway with knockdown and stun overlap. I struggle with Arcanes but i am able to defeat some or most its just a huge undertaking. You are painting a incorrect picture, more then likely because you do not play it.

[Insanity]

You're retarded. There will be a DPH Blessing that has the accuracy and CT and then a normal one for you aps BMs who arent good enough to re-learn how to time your stuns. Not that you even have to time your shit nowadays anyway with knockdown and stun overlap. I struggle with Arcanes but i am able to defeat some or most its just a huge undertaking. You are painting a incorrect picture, more then likely because you do not play it.

who the *** are you even? another clueless animal lost in the zoo trying to speak up to me how wr works
who said anything about timing stuns idiot? i was talking about the inability to cancel stuns due to very low ct, i'm a thousand times better dph wr than you or anyone will ever be and i do realize the cost of buffing it, go discuss this with someone else before coming to me worthless idiot

[Bee]

who the *** are you even? another clueless animal lost in the zoo trying to speak up to me how wr works
who said anything about timing stuns idiot? i was talking about the inability to cancel stuns due to very low ct, i'm a thousand times better dph wr than you or anyone will ever be and i do realize the cost of buffing it, go discuss this with someone else before coming to me worthless idiot

Care to 1v1 ingame on my DPH bm Sombra? Also this can easily be avoided by having the fast CT proc on either a skill or a item that is swappable in combat but locked/bound to BM or the character. Don't think anyone recognizes you. Using some name Insanity. Which if I remember right Greg used in 1.3 Deva. So if you arent Greg then your some random barking mutt from some large faction yet again thinking they're good.  If I remember from player info-ing your character you aren't very good just have been funded very good gear. So yet again a gear only player. 

But lets not turn this beneficial thread into a insulting match.