Change psy

[gigachad]

Do whatever you want thats not gona change anything, there is no psy that score up aginst me yet also psy cannot kill a good barb so w.e you do its gona be same.

[๖ۣۜĐomgrath]

-1 No way dude

Psychic is fine the way it is, there is no need for any boost. For the ones saying that 'White voodoo isn't a factor'

It actually is a factor. Psy's in mass PK are going to die regardless, however in 1v1 they are very well off. You'll almost need to use will surge to kill them, and even then it'll be a tough one due to the almost constant physical immunity. The class is meant to die easily, but dish out ridiculous amounts of damage. 

[Kev]

Easy class to play and very OP with class knowledge and gears no need for a boost go practice more I am worried 2 pages without Mentalista maybe he got in accident please someone check for his safety  

[Cynix]

-1 No way dude

Psychic is fine the way it is, there is no need for any boost. For the ones saying that 'White voodoo isn't a factor'

It actually is a factor. Psy's in mass PK are going to die regardless, however in 1v1 they are very well off. You'll almost need to use will surge to kill them, and even then it'll be a tough one due to the almost constant physical immunity. The class is meant to die easily, but dish out ridiculous amounts of damage.

Just to clarify a bit, psychics are not well off in 1v1.  

Sure my psychic is, but what other psychics are competing these days?  Using willsurge isn't the end of the world.  In 2015, most classes should have willsurge if they plan to fight psychics; just like any caster should have evil ward.  Every class has a method to control a psychic through physical immunity.  Every single one.  Therefore, that isn't a realistic counter to the suggestion either.  Expel is the same concept as white voodoo anyway since unless you time it on a seal, you are unable to attack for the duration anyway.  It's a stalling mechanism if anything.


White voodoo isn't a factor in this discussion because white voodoo isn't going to kill anybody.  The original poster is requesting a change in psychic defense so that it can comfortably do damage without feeling forced into defensive gameplay.  If defense were boosted, white voodoo would hardly be effected because most don't try killing through white anyway.

A defense boost only effects the standard way you will be trying to kill a psychic.  The vast majority people will only be attempting this when a psychic is in black.  Therefore, this is almost exclusively a black voodoo related discussion.  If this suggestion gets new psychics to stop camping white and actually be useful, I think it should be looked into.  

[I̶c̶e̶N̶i̶k̶i̶]

its funny that most ppl that never played(and i dont mean just to gear 1 psy) on mass pk-events say that psy is op already learn to play and blablabla
This thread and the op is correct
2 days ago i got hierod with 3 metal skills from insta cast ea (i was on psy will).Wanna say "learn to play"? do it but its still fact that i take 6k+ metal attacks in black
Give psys lvl 11 silence and a fighting chance (not only mass pk wise)
http://epicpw.com/index.php?topic=24121.0<- old thread of mine about lvl 11 silence

[Remmy]

Just to clarify a bit, psychics are not well off in 1v1.  

Sure my psychic is, but what other psychics are competing these days?  Using willsurge isn't the end of the world.  In 2015, most classes should have willsurge if they plan to fight psychics; just like any caster should have evil ward.  Every class has a method to control a psychic through physical immunity.  Every single one.  Therefore, that isn't a realistic counter to the suggestion either.  Expel is the same concept as white voodoo anyway since unless you time it on a seal, you are unable to attack for the duration anyway.  It's a stalling mechanism if anything.


White voodoo isn't a factor in this discussion because white voodoo isn't going to kill anybody.  The original poster is requesting a change in psychic defense so that it can comfortably do damage without feeling forced into defensive gameplay.  If defense were boosted, white voodoo would hardly be effected because most don't try killing through white anyway.

A defense boost only effects the standard way you will be trying to kill a psychic.  The vast majority people will only be attempting this when a psychic is in black.  Therefore, this is almost exclusively a black voodoo related discussion.  If this suggestion gets new psychics to stop camping white and actually be useful, I think it should be looked into.  

Giving them a possibility to be more tanky in black voodoo would just ruin pk. They can sit in 100+ attack levels and drop bombs on everyone while still living. 

Their class was made for strategy. To be able to switch from black to white. There were psy's in Ducks TW that were using frenzy and just wrecking our cata barbs. Thankfully frenzy made them squishy and we were able to take them out. But if they had more pdef and or a longer silence...say hello to mass amounts of psy's on this server. No thanks. 

[Cynix]

Giving them a possibility to be more tanky in black voodoo would just ruin pk. They can sit in 100+ attack levels and drop bombs on everyone while still living.

Their class was made for strategy. To be able to switch from black to white. There were psy's in Ducks TW that were using frenzy and just wrecking our cata barbs. Thankfully frenzy made them squishy and we were able to take them out. But if they had more pdef and or a longer silence...say hello to mass amounts of psy's on this server. No thanks.

Psys are already uncommon due to how underpowered their black voodoo defense is.  How can you even believe that giving the few people who actually main psychics a small pdef boost would ruin pk?  I don't know what to tell you if that is your belief.


Like I said, the class will still survive without a boost, but if you want class balance and not just class survival, you should be able to see why a pdef boost for psychics isn't that bad.

[Zhake]

-1, psys are already viable in both mass and 1 vs 1.

[infernchidhu]

I think psys might need a small buff tbh, i kept 1 hitting Serology from my 2 days old EP consistently and i think he played his class good, but there is nothing they can really do about it, i don't think they need lvl 11 SoS, a small boost in rpd on their r8 set bonus wud be accurate imo

[Persas]

I guess what you gonna see now is people who actually play psy alot, like Cynix, Charlize. We will say that psy could use a SMALL buff. We play the class and we know how annoying it is to instantly die before you can respond.  Im not saying we supose to be tanky, but i will get hierobugged 60% of the time in mass by a chan EA.

as for all the people who dont actually play psy alot, all i hear is. Learn your class before posting! you already have white vodoo!

as Cynix rightly said, white vodoo is like expel. you become immume to dmg but you dont actually do anything yourself.

i understand that when you dont play psy seal of silence is annoying, but trust me all you need is will surge. wait for psy to go on black, pop will surge and just 123 him.

like i said in my orignal post, any small positive chances will be ok to. Maybe just a buff to phy def is better.

psy is made for mass, yet you see so little of them for a reason.

thanks for explaining my point in a better manner Cynix

[Nooby]

 +1 for def boost ..nothing major but some.

[Cynix]

thanks for explaining my point in a better manner Cynix

Any time m8

[FMP]

+1 cuz psys are useless n i'll never lose to one

[Mentalista]

Please do something to psy to make them more viable.

- squishiest class ingame
- most inmobile class ingame
- everyone and their mother uses will surge and it take a total of 3 hits to kill a psy
- only class that consistantly get hiero'd because of having less def lvl and low hp pool
- everyone using programs to switch entire gear sets, psy have vodoo wich actually requires chan and casting time. Everyone has vodoo these days only their version is faster.

just give them level 11 soul of silence, its been to long.
i havent put much thought to other sugestions, if you have any positive changes post below

Hello son, I'm Father of the Tideborns , you have points and i will clarify some of they for u.
SoStun lv 11 gonna have a longer stun, thats sure.
SoSilence lv 11 sage and demon are equal, they description are different, but the effect is equal, 4 secs silence and a little increase on % chance to proc(less than 1.2x).
So unnerf Soul of Silence lv 11 won't hurt, since Eclipse patch is coming, things that REALLY hurt are coming with they.
About survivability, i recommend u to read my guides, I'm sure your survavivibility gonna improve, as u can see in my tittle I'm the creator of Black Voodoo, i don't think any changes on psys are necessary unless the unnerff of silence.
What you need to learn is that in Black Voodoo, u gonna be 1 2 3, unless u do something, like psychic will or Bubble of Life, or genie.
The problem of psys today is the fear of take dmg, when u play calm u gonna see how u can live long in Black Voodoo, like some moves i can tell u to train, when u are under Bubble of Life heal, someone hardly kill u, you going to heal 6k HP each 3 secs for 15 seconds, so its 5 waves of 6k HP heals, this means 15 seconds in Black Voodoo only worrying in atk, then u have psychic will that give u protection for more 10 seconds, total of 25 seconds under protection while in Black Voodoo, so if u check well, Bubble of life has a 30 seconds cooldown, so if u use time Bubble of Life+Psychic will, u can be almost forever under protection while in Black Voodoo, got the logic? Then for the rest of the moments u have Genie, pills, etc. But think as your main movement the loop of Bubble of Life+Psychic Will, and for emergency genie, pill or change gear with Razer software like most do, or white voodoo.
I recommend u for now, remove White Voodoo from Shortcut bar and go play till u learn what i said.
Any questions that u want to can ask I'm rdy to answer.

ps; Ignore def voodoo+def gears campers
ps; Srry for late, I'm having troubles with Mac.
for the topic

+1 on unnerf
-1 on tweak, we already got boost on PhyDef, you have on R8 15% reduce phi dmg taken, this didn't exist before.It got implement past year.

[DaJi]

No support.

As someone who plays a class that has the same P.def in DD mode and knows the mechanics of this class, I cannot support a boost for Psychics, sorry. Before people go,"Oh, you can use fox form" etc., you go try and DD in Fox Form. I look at White Voodoo and Fox Form the same, a way for survival with dealing little-to-no damage. You have to realize Soul of Silence is a big factor. The reasons I say this is because it requires you to use your genie to get past their 42.34% (Last time I checked my Psy) seal rates. A.K.A. Them making you use your genie makes you more vulnerable/nerfed.

Sincerely,
Iah