You were trying to say they are not necessary, not that adding multiple ways to get them will make it easier to get them, and the server won't die just because there is an other additional way to engrave your belts and necklaces, lol. Again, don't make such comparisons, you can live with dragon gear, but in the end, with full built, a complete set of such engraved ornaments will make a real difference. And because most aim for it, since it's necessary, there should be an other way for those who can't attend NW.
no... I'm not saying they are not necessary, I'm saying it's not necessary to make it easier, which is what I've been trying to say in almost every single one of my postsyes I realize it will make a difference, I've said that repeatedly over and over againI really don't know how to put it any other way, but I'll try again I guessMaking gear easier to get is good (I mean specifically r8 gear), which has been happening on this server for a while because PKing with good gear is necessary to actually get somewhere in this game. It's not handed to you, of course, because that's one of the main reasons people still play on this server. But getting the perfect engraves is not something that needs to be made easier (by increasing the ways to do it) because that, while it makes a difference, is not something so incredibly necessary that you need to make it into something easy to achieve
yes, please.Id suggest beeing able to engrave with 100-130 obc per roll.You still have to farm it but you can do whenever + more active ns.Edit: actually... id make it more like 200-250 obc per roll.
Not ST you can sell various things make EC then u can buy stuffs with engraves you like, Anyway that's just my opinion.
no... I'm not saying they are not necessary, I'm saying it's not necessary to make it easier, which is what I've been trying to say in almost every single one of my postsyes I realize it will make a difference, I've said that repeatedly over and over againI really don't know how to put it any other way, but I'll try again I guessMaking gear easier to get is good (I mean specifically r8 gear), which has been happening on this server for a while because PKing with good gear is necessary to actually get somewhere in this game. It's not handed to you, of course, because that's one of the main reasons people still play on this server. But getting the perfect engraves is not something that needs to be made easier (by increasing the ways to do it) because that, while it makes a difference, is not something so incredibly necessary that you need to make it into something easy to achieveEDIT: I'll include what Kiddo said before, this is supposed to be a "luxury" that you work for, not easy to get. it's supposed to be hard work and expensive to actually reach
they're a luxury you can get after working for them, they're not 100% necessary for survival or killing
The idea is nice, and I like the way you changed your perspective:So, isolating this level of equipment to show off and making it almost non-achievable by newbies grows the server's population or keeps it stable at least? Note, even keeping it stable is an achievement since people can get bored, and current obstacles increase with the flow of time, who would want to struggle for years in order to achieve something that 80% of the server has already? This is not the year 2013, friend. The most recent, fresh, example is a guy shouting on WC for people to do trophy mode with. I would think twice about it since it's not a game breaking suggestion but a lot of help for the newb.I think the release of a new endgame item will help the server in general and not putting obstacles for the newbs.
no, again.. engraves are not completely necessary immediatelythey're a luxury you can get after working for them, they're not 100% necessary for survival or killing
please note that I'm not saying engraves on orns are useless or don't make a difference at all. they do, but it's not something entirely necessary like actual gear that you need to make it easier to get. having a belt itself is more important than just +2 att level on it.
I'm trying to say, that it is something you don't need to make easier because you do not need it right away; you don't need it to be made easier by giving more ways to do it
A slight decrease in how many ST it takes to engrave belts and necks(40/50) I could support, possibly.
I'm gonna have to -1 it too, unfortunately. It's late so forgive the incoherence. Making ST's exchangeable for any of the ways mentioned seems like a market crashing OP change.Don't get me wrong, engraving sucks(mostly because my luck is terrible, just like many others), but I really don't think this is the right change to it. A slight decrease in how many ST it takes to engrave belts and necks(40/50) I could support, possibly. However, there are several ways to farm them ST already, none of which are hard. - BH gives 30 supply tokens per day per char? 2 days = 1 neck/belt engrave per toon. Most people have more than one char.- Morai gives 20 supply tokens per char. 3 weeks = 1 neck/belt engrave per toon. 1 Saturday = 2 ring engraves per toon... Not everyone has 234234 chars, but some do. Myself(and Sebi) included.- Kill quests give 6 and you can do it... 3 times a day? A miniscule amount, yes but it fills random st gap.- GM events give up to 300? Even in Keep Away, for example, if you're on the losing team the reward's 100+. Once/twice a week is a few engraves.- Even in the ****tiest nation if you do things properly and stay the full time you can usually get at least 250 ST. Still a few engraves at least per week.-Random other ways to get ST like winter harbinger/tb quest/trivia npcsTL;DR: In my opinion it's not going to change anything for 'new players' since they should focus on their r8 first and getting 'op' engraves later. As for us end game players who have 413123 toons to spam farm on, it's going to ruin(haha, get it?) all the things.
I never changed my perspective, you just have not been understanding what I was saying from the very beginning. I just went really simple and explained it step by step and you eventually caught on.several times I said this isn't something necessary to make easier, because you don't need it right away, you work for itAnd no, it is definitely not "non-achievable". So far you've been saying you're biggest problem is that you can't attend NW, so making orns available to engrave with WWI and cogs and such is the best solution. But for the people who can attend NW and are also farming Ares and Morai now have such an increased chance to get good engraves on orns, which increases the amount of these orns with good engraves, which lowers the price, which leads to almost everyone having this end game gear, and then what? Like I said before, the server has become steadily easy to farm, and already people are asking for more fun pve things to do. If this is made even easier, people will get bored and starting finding new games to play.For some people it can be difficult to get when they first come to server, but that's why they keep playing the game, to eventually reach that end point.Which is exactly what people have been saying already in countless other posts. Unless you'll say that I've just magically changed my perspective again.
It's the opposite, I am glad that you realized it's a necessity and call it purposely "luxurious". I hope you're aware that you're contradicting yourself whenever you write both at the same time. - constructive advice.
It's the opposite, I am glad that you realized it's a necessity and call it purposely "luxurious". I hope you're aware that you're contradicting yourself whenever you write both at the same time. - constructive advice.People like myself will still have to work their asses for it, because I don't posses 35 chars, I don't regularly attend Ares event or any other ST rewarding event. With two chars it's pretty hard. You do the math with Asian style farming level and ignore people from my rank which posses two active chars and play them regularly but don't get every Saturday a free cube necklace and 20-30 ET's daily. For those who enjoy farming, this additional way won't prevent them from doing so. In fact, we got R8r which consumes more money than engraves and people won't stop donating or farming, so the server will remain profitable. And the market will be balanced, it went from max. 4,000 EC items to 150,000 EC items which is ridiculous. I agree on making clean ornaments much more expensive and reduce the price of engraved ones.
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