in fuI have tested my damage, full attack set, on a defence seeker with blessing ( wich you always use ), and it has been clear that my damage was nowhere near close to kill him without the use of 3spark, he didnt move a dim 0.o its pretty sad. On topic, seekers are fine without it, most seekers go dph, it would only give a slight advantage to the few aps seekers, you're a tank already and you want to be able to kill people using 1 occult? nty again. You don't need it, seekers are f----aaa---ar from being underpowered atm compared to some other classes
That's why people don't play them nor recruit them, I barely made it in Worms thanks to the kind heart of Worms leader.
yes lets give sins 5att lvls aswel since no guild recruits them aswel ):
It's very obvious why some don't recruit assassins... because there's more than enough. Everyone knows that the "assassin community" is larger than the rest together, please.
yeah m8, seekers are really usefull in mass pk, pw has designed them to be good in mass pk. Guilds should recruit classes that are really usefull in mass pk as seekers because they bring alot of cc / buffs .. . And this topic is all about making seeker viable in mass pk ...Anyway i'm off this topic -1 again. I've reached my sarcasm limit.
A class that tanks HA and LA classes? The only HA class I can really tank is wr, because they don't have enough damage to go through you, Barbs hit like mad, same story about sins. Also, not every seeker in here camps def, if others do it, it's not my problem. Another thing: do you really think any seeker can reach 120 def lvls with just a def wep? I can barely reach 105 with a def wep in full r8, I'd have to wear the NW cape and a blessing to barely break the 115 mark. Also, you can read the other replies or the thread itself 1 more time and try to understand what I'm trying to say. And really, weren't you the one which suggested replacing the +25 VIT in claws with +5 ATK lvls? You can't even dare to say that the base damage of a full dragon WB can be higher than the base damage of a seeker, hipocrisy much?
I never called what gear are you wearing about those 120 def lvl, i used Eye of Observation once on Omnislasher just for the curiosity and saw 125~ Def lvl. "Barbs hit like mad"? duhh all we do is fury. I never seen seekers going further than 2 fury, maybe you should learn to use it. "Same story about sins"? indeed. "Also not every seeker here camps def if others do it it's not my problem" never said it's your problem. "nother thing: do you really think any seeker can reach 120 def lvls with just a def wep? I can barely reach 105 with a def wep in full r8, I'd have to wear the NW cape and a blessing to barely break the 115 mark. " already quoted it with Omnislashers gear, and i never asked what kind of gear you're wearing. "Also, you can read the other replies or the thread itself 1 more time and try to understand what I'm trying to say." in time i would go through that _J_ or w.e his name is would write a poem. "And really, weren't you the one which suggested replacing the +25 VIT in claws with +5 ATK lvls? " Yeah it was me. Why was it accepted? Simply because there was no harm in it, you have 1 option at the time with WR/WB, you'll DPH or you will APS, both doesn't really work. Why? no dmg loss, and OH yeah, counterplay. Let me equip Physical adorns vs Seeker, BAM blown up by metal combo. Metal immune? who has genie for that when you play 120 str 70 vit 50 mag. Hey let me equip Elemental Adorns? Bam dead after 1st solid shield is down or just get Blur'd cuz it ignores everything. Yes counterplay my friend, you know what to expect from WBs 5 aps and WRs lock. You don't know what you can expect after QPQ. "You can't even dare to say that the base damage of a full dragon WB can be higher than the base damage of a seeker" Ehm why not? I don't see why wouldn't i be scared of saying it, I just don't know if it's true. If i want to follow Logic whatsoever i'll follow these 2 arguments in it:1. Dual edges > Claws when it comes to base dmg.2. Sword mastery buffs dual edges by 90% of dual edges base dmg on a sage seeker, Claw mastery doesn't exist on WB. "hipocrisy much?" Everything i said through this was no hipocrisy. Why? "Definition of Hipocrisy:the practice of claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs than is the case." :1. Did i claim that Seekers have higher standards than WBs whether it's true or not? I'd say yes. Why? So you said WBs have higher defence than Seekers. In theory they could. Why? I have sht ton of pdef in tiger form and alot of health, but remember it's only Pdef, whether you want to metal combo me or atk me all day long with aps is completely your problem, in practical they don't cuz of debuffs usage Seekers dish out. Now because i claimed this as WBs class, to not be called a hypocrite again I won't obviously claim it for WR cuz you know the truth when you just said it yourself but for i will for Sins. How? I will simply use the quote that EvilTouch once said to LeiZo: http://prntscr.com/6fkfyoSo don't bother comparing yourself to Sins. 2. Did i invent higher standards of Seeker as my argument? I don't think so. Can they tank me? For a period of time like any class does or forever if they gonna camp def lvl with windshield, + AD+ + some crowd control. Can i tank them? Yet again for a period of time like any class does. Can i kill them? If i fury i can, without fury it's like hitting a brickwall without a weapon, it simply won't happen. Can they kill me? Yes they can, either i eat metal combo to the face with phy adorns, or get exploded with magic adorns by physical combo + blur as back up. No 3 fury required. Can seekers use fury just like WBs do? I mean any class can so why seekers wouldn't? Oh yeah, furyotypes "fury more trash" i get them everyday just like any WB.Point proven.
It's senseless to compare an/a APS/STR barb to a VIT barb and write: "Dude, barbarians are tanky enough, I used Eye of Observation on BAQWULF (the best VIT barbarian that EPW currently has, FYI), and he has a lot of HP, DEF LV and magic resistance."... Vermilion used to write "it's a waste to of chi to triple spark as a seeker", because chi gain as a seeker can't be compared to an assassin nor barbarian, and because most of the skills consume chi. Dual edges are less used than fists or claws, now how does it affect the server more than your suggestion? Yes, metal immune, respectively Heart of Steel, many use it, and you can easily give up if they do. Fist weapon mastery affects claws. You are contradicting yourself so much, tiger form increases your physical defense? What is this thread all about, metal combo? That's maybe exactly why APS damage is low, and needs a little boost. Seekers can tank you forever? Since when does windshield, absolute domain and CC skills last forever and don't have cooldowns? I think you wasted your time trying to be smart.
Who did ever mention Vit WB's in this thread? Pdef doesn't come from Vit as much as it comes from Str if you have any clue about this game at all. "Dude, barbarians are tanky enough". Depending on who's standards we're talking about, I can't afford to carry 3 Elemental immunity's on my WB genie like i can on EA's genie to be considered "Tanky enough" as of evading elemental dmg. That's senseless. "Fist weapon mastery affects claws." I don't have fist mastery as a WB. If you're talking about WR that's another story to discuss. " What is this thread all about, metal combo? That's maybe exactly why APS damage is low, and needs a little boost." This thread if you read the name is about Dual Edges, genius. Metal combo was mentioned in this thread because if i decide to tank APS combo then i need Physical Ornaments to do so, cuz i can't afford tanking it when i lose **** ton of Def lvl to a freaking Sacrificial Slash, If i want to tank Metal Combo and if i get myself caught with Fortify mag def debuff transfered + Def lvl reduction, im dead in 1 zerk crit, Metal immune? Ok let's say i use Metal immune before he casts the combo, and he suddenly decides to use APS, ok I will Solid Shield myself then. After 30 seconds comes the same combo again. What am i left with? 60-70~ Energy on genie, unable to use anything. "Since when does windshield, absolute domain and CC skills last forever and don't have cooldowns?" If you have read correctly which i can totally see you didn't i said "For a period of time." Windshield let's be honest doesn't have cooldown, if you call 1 second a cooldown compared to a duration of the skill, you're a little dumb but what can i do. CC skills are chainable, they don't last forever, they chain upon eachother. I have already a problem about predicting whether i'll get 1 shotted or APSed to death. Everyone will agree who are not Seeker players and that have to face them here that boosting APS dmg when it's already no counterplay involved is completely senseless. Why? Like i already mentioned and this type i'll note it for you cuz you seem to be too slow to follow >>>>>>>>>>>>FOR WBS NOT WRS<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Dual Edge base dmg > Claw base dmg, Sword mastery > nonexistant fist/claw mastery cuz guess what genius, WBs don't have Fist and Claw mastery.
You are talking as if solid shield would be the only way a WB could survive, switch to Tiger my friend, then laugh behind your computer, invoke, spark, because you always have enough chi for it, seekers don't have that much chi, nor survival skills, you can't stay in Def all the time and expect to kill something, won't work. And since when is my suggestion so game breaking as you state?
