I can see some strange things here:)It is obvious that pet's hp isn't a problem, 100x bigger problem is the fact that some classes (like mystic, bm, cleric) can 1-shoot the pet.This fact is just cowardly being ignored, but due to some trolls spamming forum, pet's hp gets lowered:)The current pets are not more tanky then the old pets...at least not much more, they also don't even have more damage or crap... it is all quite the same, the only difference is that new skills for pets (most of them useless) came out.This post is about veno's r8 weapon, which is purely magic weapon (its physical attack is very low), that was created based on a semi-meele pataka (which is a mistake).Veno is a good class, it does not mean, it should be nerfed.This whole thing is becoming a bit too childish for me.It seems to me that when the crowd screams, the EPW team jumps, when it is about making game fair.. nobody cares:)Maybe you guys should think about doing politics?
So few veno's on the server
Change back to the old pet system, wfs didn't need it.
So from what I can gather from this thread:- Pets are OP- Pets can be 1-shot- Venos have too many skills- Veno don't have enough power on weapons- Venos need more channeling- Pets lock too much- Venos are OP- Venos are weak and need a boost- People like orangesIt's like watching a tennis match.My belief is that when it comes to nerf/boost threads, if you can't really show substantial evidence as to why this needs to be done, other than the fact that you are dying, then perhaps your ability is the problem and not the class.As to the original topic, all classes aren't meant to have the same stats as each other, as each class has a different role, each class has different strengths, each class has different weaknesses. R8 weaps are far from useless, as they offer different things in different situations (puri, def levels etc). As people have said, the weapon is designed differently from the other caster classes as they perform a different role to the other classes.I think venos are fine.
btw for all the g00d b0is complaining:WF pataka http://prntscr.com/4vevmgWiz sword http://prntscr.com/4vew04the minimum mag atk is lower but wf spike damage is even higher than wiz's...... .....and we dont have a semi immortal pet spamming skills that hit 15k on people.
Change back to the old pet system, wfs didn't need it.WF strong points:-0 pdefEvery 1 of 100 ironwood scarabs proc, (unless you're Bewitch)-0mdefSeriously how many times does this **** proc? I think it's a myth.(unless you're Bewitch)-25+secs immunity comboAfter which, you are rendered genie less, pot less and chi less giving any INTELLIGENT being the chance to lock you down to death anyone standing still to the wf while he/she chains this combo deserves to die.-demon speed spammableNothing to say on this one, but you're still the first one to complain about it, the speed has been there for centuries-pet that works as a pocket wrAgree with you there, remove them please.-pet that hits with 15k per skillLast time I checked my pet about a month ago, it didn't even hit black voodoo psychics for 800 dmg.-0 chiAre we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-purgeEA's?-amplifyAre we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-soul trap that doubles the aoe power but even bypass 3spark/ig/sutra and every type of protection(also nullify poison)?-bramble=75% dmg reductionBramble shield? Doesn't work on main map and it DEFLECTS dmg.-reflect(bramble 200% and normal one 75% but in arena only),the other soul one ALWAYS works-pets got GM buffs(permanent anti movement debuffs,being untargettable and so on)Yes, pets are broken.-pet stun is AOE.Lasts what? two seconds?-aoe seal+freeze(also adds HF on demon version)Are we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-spammable skills that still hit 7k+ per skill-insta hp skillAren't this one and the one below the same thing? If you're talking about metabolic boost in here, it is not instant and it recovers 50% hp AND it has like an hour long cd- % of MP and HP swapping system(soul transfusion)Are we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-bewitchAre we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-2 anti stun skillsAre we listing the things the class can do to make it seem op? Because that can be done with any class-spammable lucky scarab that combined with pet stunning skills and nova makes the lock something that would make a WR looking as useless.Spammable since when? Please someone enlighten me here, I know I'm inactive but last time I checked it has a 8 senconds cooldown(if you're demon)WF weak points:low pdef,that u couldnt care less about since u can kite forever with demon speed and u dont care if u have 123123013k or 0 pdef since u gonna be always TOTALLY IMMUNE or ull target gonna be 100% LOCKED.WFs are OP and broken, u want them to be changed?good, remove 20 ct or 15 def lvls and they gonna be still broken but something close to "balanced" Not the player's fault you can't lock a veno.Venos are indeed a very strong class and with the pets they are, I admit it, totally broken. But you take it too far my friend.
-0mdefSeriously how many times does this **** proc? I think it's a myth.(unless you're Bewitch)
Wfs always had lowest-highest dmg on patakas, any other weapons were used to heal pets (more reliable heal) Everyone risk by going full attack mode, that's how it is..
Venos are really fine or even more than fine both in 1v1 and mass pk. I see no reason to boost them anyhow. Pets were too tanky before their nerf, sometimes during watching/hosting playoffs i could see how some classes are really hopeless against it. While it gives high stunlock they couldnt kill the pet which was healed.Dmg of veno is fine as well if thats the pure point of this topic. Not to mention 0 def for example.