Demon veno AA is mostly for 1v1 for the psy reduce + nova, sage venos for mass pk for the aoe purge and more... if you know how to play that damn veno its not paper at all ijs if u know ur skills u can save ur ass lots of times adding the 79/100 skills and morai saves u even more if u know how to use themIn my opinion HA venos are paper since they die very easy vs a magic class and even in mass pk there are a lot of mystics/psys/venos