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Opinion on increasing Mages def

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I couldn't read the thread, I'm color blind I can't see red.. can someone make a TL;DR ?

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Actually , veno bramble was removed after the tideborn came out for a quite simple reason: sins were 3 sparking and killing themselves in the bramble. So after filling pages of forum with complain about it, the pwi dev remove it. Which i found it pretty lame, because those people didn't even knew to play a sin. But this topic is about wiz not veno.
You are noob  :normal-8: :normal-29:

Thats fair, now they 3 spark and kill us.


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if ur gonna talk about bramble.. dont forget that purge is supposed to remove all positive effects. it doesnt

Purge tidal please.


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I'm on the fence here, but I think Teru also said that he wouldn't mind a damage reduction in place of some defense. 

I mean, shit, I have both a wizzie and a mystic, and my mystic is tankier.  Granted, my mystic is also built around defense rather than raw damage, but...

It's rough for mgs since they essentially NEED -chan to actually kill anything quickly (basically they're the sins of the magic class--needing a bottomless pit of money to get as much -chan as they can), but at the same time, even with demon stone barrier, how are you killing if you're horizontal for most of the fight? 

So I understand the struggle, but it looks like it's an apathetic subject for most.

if ur gonna talk about bramble.. dont forget that purge is supposed to remove all positive effects. it doesnt

Purge tidal please.

If purge worked on all buffs, you realize that psy soul skills would get purged too? And thus would be a nerf to your beloved psychic, albeit indirectly?

:P #foodforthought

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Stop crying and go get the +phy def% on ur r8 top. It should be either more -channelling% or more phy def%, but definitely not both...It is senseless to make the class with the highest damage and above average chan speed (if it is appropriately geared) with more phy def%. If phy def% is so much of an issue, why is there no mages with phy def% top? Obviously, people are becoming greedy nowadays...

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Stop crying and go get the +phy def% on ur r8 top. It should be either more -channelling% or more phy def%, but definitely not both...It is senseless to make the class with the highest damage and above average chan speed (if it is appropriately geared) with more phy def%. If phy def% is so much of an issue, why is there no mages with phy def% top? Obviously, people are becoming greedy nowadays...
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Stop crying and go get the +phy def% on ur r8 top. It should be either more -channelling% or more phy def%, but definitely not both...It is senseless to make the class with the highest damage and above average chan speed (if it is appropriately geared) with more phy def%. If phy def% is so much of an issue, why is there no mages with phy def% top? Obviously, people are becoming greedy nowadays...

It could just be me, but I don't see too many wizzies on the server either...

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+1 I agree.
As a sin I can agree they are low on pdef.

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Stop crying and go get the +phy def% on ur r8 top. It should be either more -channelling% or more phy def%, but definitely not both...It is senseless to make the class with the highest damage and above average chan speed (if it is appropriately geared) with more phy def%. If phy def% is so much of an issue, why is there no mages with phy def% top? Obviously, people are becoming greedy nowadays...

Pretty much. Every other AA class sacrifices channelling/damage to get a physical defense % top. :c For example, I have two sets of gear for veno. One is survival based, the other is DD based. You typically can't have the best of both worlds at the same time unless your gear is just ridiculously OP and very, very expensive. Mages shouldn't be able to have both when everyone else can't. >.>

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It could just be me, but I don't see too many wizzies on the server either...

Pete and I were just talking about this yesterday.
They are an unpopular class and surely there has to be a reason for it.


Stop crying and go get the +phy def% on ur r8 top. It should be either more -channelling% or more phy def%, but definitely not both...It is senseless to make the class with the highest damage and above average chan speed (if it is appropriately geared) with more phy def%. If phy def% is so much of an issue, why is there no mages with phy def% top? Obviously, people are becoming greedy nowadays...

I don't see anybody crying here.
Just a discussion about a potential imbalance.
It's comments like these that make a thread spiral out of control
as people start getting defensive and hostile.
It happened to the last thread.
Each to their own, I guess.




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I Totally agree with that Wizards should have more pdef , Just because they are not like other AA classes which has less CC and they are like have no skills to increase their pdef not such like psy or venos ,  Which can use white vodoo or transfer to fox form ! same goes to mystic

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I Totally agree with that Wizards should have more pdef , Just because they are not like other AA classes which has less CC and they are like have no skills to increase their pdef not such like psy or venos ,  Which can use white vodoo or transfer to fox form ! same goes to mystic

No skills to increase pdef? What about Earth Shield?? You know, that main skill that -all- wizards use.
On another note, I don't agree that Wizards should get more defense. They're squishy because they're the hardest hitters in game. They already have a skill that bumps them back away from melee attacks, distance shrink, and I think they have a leap back too [I don't remember, as it's been awhile since I mained mage].

I don't see anybody crying here.
Just a discussion about a potential imbalance.
It's comments like these that make a thread spiral out of control
as people start getting defensive and hostile.
It happened to the last thread.
Each to their own, I guess.
Mgs are fine...stop crying about them lol
This guy said the same thing as me (the crying part), but why did u comment about my post only?? Do u comment selectively or with different standards? Also, I feel surprised that u actually only commented on the "crying part" of my post...it feels like u didn't get/selectively ignore the rest of my post.



Last Edit: Sept 30, 2014, 03:11 pm by IDuKnow

Offline Pain

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Mages are weak both in defense and offense, it's role might be a dd but an archer or wf is superior in every way. They should get 15% physical reduction on their r8 set bonus just like every other arcane class.