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WTF is the deal with bows

Offline geriatrix

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Earlier I tried to find some logic only by reading others,
but now I have my own experience.

I finally made Sin. And yes, for PvE the lvl 140 bow is enough.
Went Sage, if someone ask.

Sin with bow has lot lower range than Archer.
Sin with bow can't use any skill.
Yes, Sin with bow hits slightly harder than with daggers,
but with daggers hits about four times more often.

(24k for daggers with 2.50 per second, 27k for bow with 0.83 per second.
Do the math yourself if you're not afraid: just use calculator to multiply.
Every second I deal 3 times more damage with daggers than with bow.
I'm not lvl 150. My daggers and bow are both lvl 140.)

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I don't PK and I don't care, but think of the name itself:

ASSASSIN

Read few things about tradition of the East.

Or watch first episode of Lone Wolf and Cub. :)
(I know, I know, it's from Japan and game is from China,
but those two countries influenced each other alot.)

BTW, professional killers use "ranged weapons" (snipers, crossbows...)
even more than hand guns and knives. So, which one is "secondary" here?

~~~~~

PW is game where you can be more than one "person".
You make several profiles (classes) and today you are
barbarian, tomorrow wizzard, and so on.

If you think Sin is OP, become one and be happy.
It won't stop you be Myst or BM again whenever you want.
for example when you see for yourself that Sins also have
same number of their own problems.

"But he killed me with his Genie skills. Genies should be
nerfed for Sins."

Stop whining for "safety by default". The moment you
switched to PK mode you knew you and your ego can
get killed many times. Or you hope to kill others and
remain immune yourself?

But, as I said, I don't PK and I don't care.
I still love being Seeker more.
"Don't think about winning every battle in your life.
Think only about winning the current one."

But reconsider price. You might decide to lose.

Offline Ninja

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Its not about the bow hitting more than daggers, its the bow hitting more than an archer with a bow.

It is true they cant use skills, but archers cant use skills with fists.

The weapons of a tideborn assassin are knives and daggers, the knife throw skill is the use a knife for range.
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Offline hotflamie

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  • Limit the hating.
Since when does a sin hit more with a bow then ea? I compared my full dex ea/sin. Ea does more but crits a lil bit less then sin with wolf emblem. Both are demon, but i'm still for removal of bow, unless making daggers useable for ea.
SkyAngelz-Demon Archer
(self-proclaimed semi pro ea+pro kiter, your QQ is my proof xD)
Sinz-Demon Sin
Forget about me. Soon you wish you had.
Live now, tomorrow is just another today
Skyz - currently being lvled - Demon BM

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Offline geriatrix

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Its not about the bow hitting more than daggers, its the bow hitting more than an archer with a bow.

It is true they cant use skills, but archers cant use skills with fists.

The weapons of a tideborn assassin are knives and daggers, the knife throw skill is the use a knife for range.

I agree with "hitting more than Archer with bow" (if that's true), and it is relevant.

Please stop implanting another part about Archer with fists.
BM hits more with Dual Hammers than Barb, so what?
"Weapons for BladeMaster are Blades...", etc...

PWI creators didn't limit Assassin to one weapon only. Why you try to do it?
"The weapons of a tideborn assassin are knives and daggers, the knife throw
skill is the use a knife for range"  because you said so?
Then remove bow completely, but remove knife throw cooldown.

Archer has 3 weapons and fists were added as fourth.
Sin has 2 weapons and for each of them you know you can't remove.
(BM has 5 weapons.)

I already said that bow lvl 140 is enough for Sin.
It's at the top of my post.
The very first thing that you can see.


I also said that I don't PK and I don't care. Insist on whatever you want,
just don't try to force me to believe in it.

~~~~~

You just put too much effort into this campaign, someone may become suspicious.

Relax and enjoy.

You won.
Last Edit: July 27, 2012, 10:51 am by geriatrix
"Don't think about winning every battle in your life.
Think only about winning the current one."

But reconsider price. You might decide to lose.

Offline Ninja

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  • The god of all stalkers! :D
Since when does a sin hit more with a bow then ea? I compared my full dex ea/sin. Ea does more but crits a lil bit less then sin with wolf emblem. Both are demon, but i'm still for removal of bow, unless making daggers useable for ea.

Since testing it on my 150 sin and 150 archer. Sin has higher DPS with a bow than an archer, and with CotD has higher DPH aswell.
Ex-GM

Thanks Syringe for the pic & JuJuBeez for the awesome sig!

Offline hotflamie

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  • Limit the hating.
Since testing it on my 150 sin and 150 archer. Sin has higher DPS with a bow than an archer, and with CotD has higher DPH aswell.

during how long time was that... it shouldn't be possible with same unless the sin uses wolf. with CotD the dps would be significantly lower for sin
SkyAngelz-Demon Archer
(self-proclaimed semi pro ea+pro kiter, your QQ is my proof xD)
Sinz-Demon Sin
Forget about me. Soon you wish you had.
Live now, tomorrow is just another today
Skyz - currently being lvled - Demon BM

Credit to jujubeez for the awesome sig:3

Offline Ninja

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during how long time was that... it shouldn't be possible with same unless the sin uses wolf. with CotD the dps would be significantly lower for sin

It was average hit damage over 100 hits, then mathematically worked out for the comparison, I have the numbers in an excel sheet somewhere here but I'd have to go digging as I tested this about 2 weeks into becoming a gm.

It is possible, that is WHY they were made archer only.
Ex-GM

Thanks Syringe for the pic & JuJuBeez for the awesome sig!

Offline ifist

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Well if sins want to use bows make daggers available to archers than? 

Offline geriatrix

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Well if sins want to use bows make daggers available to archers than?
"Well, if Sins can't use bows then remove cooldown form Knife Throw..."
Or alow Sins to use fists just like Archers do.
Or this, or that...

Tell that to PWI game creators.

This is good, just find your "know how".

Or make your own Sin if you think they pwn.
I've made mine, and I'm still happier with Seeker. :)

~~~~~

OFF TOPIC:
Aga, I sincerely thank you.
Yesterday and today I normally got blue Divine contract.
Before that I was getting all white all the time.
Whatever you did, it worked.

THANKS !
"Don't think about winning every battle in your life.
Think only about winning the current one."

But reconsider price. You might decide to lose.

Offline DoomRazor

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sins do'nt need bow really most ppls thing purge from bow r awesome really if u r a sin(pker) and need a bow go delete your sin
problem is only barbs after they invoke just stun them and wait till invoke gone and kill it
u guys better check LED videos how play a sin....
and yes we have many fail sins here that they do'nt know how play it.

Offline geriatrix

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sins do'nt need bow really most ppls thing purge from bow r awesome really if u r a sin(pker) and need a bow go delete your sin
problem is only barbs after they invoke just stun them and wait till invoke gone and kill it
u guys better check LED videos how play a sin....
and yes we have many fail sins here that they do'nt know how play it.
You forgot to say "sins don't need bow FOR PK".
I was talking of several archer mob types in GV, of Harpies and Heads in FC,
and of few other things.

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No, I'm not PKer, there are several other aspects in this game besides just PK.
And I don't agree to destroy everything else because of PK only.

As I said already, bow lvl 140 for Sin is exactly enough.
"Don't think about winning every battle in your life.
Think only about winning the current one."

But reconsider price. You might decide to lose.

Offline Keykamay

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I don't understand why Archers using fists were even brought up in this discussion about Sin's using bows. They are completely unrelated. Archers can't use daggers(which would be very helpful), and Sins can't use slingshots and xbows, those are the only comparisons in weapons you should be making when talking about these two classes. The fact that a sin can deal more damage with a bow than an Archer does seem unfair, especially since they use pretty much the same build. Fist/claws are an all class weapon that everyone could use if they really wanted to, this includes Sins.

I don't see what the problem is in limiting the level 145/150 bows to archers only. It doesn't change the use of the bow for a Sin at all, and it limits every other class in the game as well(BM/WB for example). I can understand the initial reaction of suddenly finding out that you can't use the bow that you farmed for in the way you wanted, but it could easily be traded out for the demonic bow in one way or another.

The change seems too minor to strike up all these complaints, but I admit that we could have done without it. I mean, not only can archers use skills with bows, but their range is 30/32/34/36 meters depending on factors such as weapon and cultivation choice. Any other class that uses a bow is stuck at 20 meters. I understand that this was done for balancing purposes and I'm perfectly fine with the change, It just shouldn't matter all that much.
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In the water, Oceans of Blood
Through the air, Crimson Lace
On the floor, Human Mud
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Offline shadowvzs

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. The fact that a sin can deal more damage with a bow than an Archer does seem unfair, especially since they use pretty much the same build.

this true and thats why i dont understand why most of sin think useing high lv bow is fair since sin have lwoer range but got focus mind, hit higher than archer (1 coz sin for short time can reach 100% crit rate damn easily also there inner harmonny+sage 50 chi if sin is sage) + wolf emblem.
150 Demon Assassin
150 Sage Wizzard
150 Sage Barbarian
149 Demon Archer
148 Sage Seeker
14x Demon Barbarian
148 Sage Cleric
14x Sage Blademaster
146 Sage Barbarian
145 Sage Assassin
and other lower level sage mystic/psy/archer :D