Changing aspect of PVE?

[Quequeg]

Correct me if i'm wrong but do not GM's have all class skill available for any class?
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[Steroids]

go learn from grandmaster maxy

http://epicpw.com/guides/levelling/msg577077/#msg577077

No grandmaster or shiit but yeah, that guide (PV section) was basically to show that pulling on AA classes or just doing PvE on AA classes is possible. They are less squishy than you think. Mystics, wizards and clerics can heal themselves. Psychics have voodoos. And venos.....well they have fox form (can't speak much about them since I haven't played one yet) but I know people who do PvE just as well on these classes.

If you're having a problem PvE-ing on an AA class, you can ask for tips. So far, I have soloed Eden, Brimstone, Abaddon, SoT (except for the queen boss) on my Mystic and Psychic. I did try TT and it is possible to solo but obviously it will take time (not that HA classes/sins can solo this quickly) And warsong can be soloed as well (not the pavs, haven't tried that) but the mobs and bosses can be easily soloed. Since the mobs are all elemental, it is actually easier to solo on an AA class than on a HA class. Nirvana, there's a caster nirvana in case you didn't know. HDD and FSP can't really be soloed by any class. But, I can pretty much solo UCH on my mystic (takes long but not as long as it takes a barb, sins are somewhat useless there, can't tank dragons or heal)

Hell, I even finished a run of card bosses on my Mystic. Of course, it took longer but like I said earlier, every class has a role.....unless you want stealth, humongous hp, godly def, heals AND damage on one class. In that case, apply for a GM

[Omni]

I don´t see the need for it. Since you can level a barb easy to 150 and farm with that.

[엔젤ღ]

unless you want stealth, humongous hp, godly def, heals AND damage on one class. In that case, apply for a GM

^follow the words of the master

[scatterer3]

You made yourself sound skilled, I don`t want to brag but then why would you find it hard in Phoenix Valley with a Cleric or Psychic? 

Psychic is the 3rd-4th easiest class to solo PV. It wasn't hard to solo PV with Cleric either. People try to tank more than a Barbarian on a magic class with lv. 110 EQ in PV 135+, then yeah, turns out that we need a new skill...

[Sycosis]

-1 to this suggestion. I finish pv in 5-10 mins on all mages, depending on the class. I do two big pulls on ALL aa classes. Whether it be veno, cleric, mystic, psychic, or wizard. Just 2 big pulls and done. Just have to know how to play your class, like others have said.

[Mr. Rodriguez]

From a player's perspective, this will help. But the tips of people here are enough to help you through PV. Plus, overcoming the PVE challenges/difficulties of your class adds fun to the game.

[ahed]

give me gm weapon for pve please ty

[DignityPK]

You made yourself sound skilled, I don`t want to brag but then why would you find it hard in Phoenix Valley with a Cleric or Psychic? 

Psychic is the 3rd-4th easiest class to solo PV. It wasn't hard to solo PV with Cleric either. People try to tank more than a Barbarian on a magic class with lv. 110 EQ in PV 135+, then yeah, turns out that we need a new skill...

I am pretty sure most of the people who say it is easy for cleric never even tried to solo PV, first of all I am not implying it's impossible - I am saying that it takes too long comparing to other classes - Soloing PV problems with my psy started at PV125, eventually I got to 135 and it was way too long - around 40 minute for each PV comparing to 5 minutes it takes BM/Barb/Seeker/Sin to do it.
On my cleric I didn't really have problems in 125 but at 135 it was taking around 30 minutes to solo it because of the extremely small pulls and chi gain problems/genie energy.
On my cleric I get hit 700 from each mob, on my psychic in black it's 1k in white it' 500, on a wizard it's 600, on sin/archer it's 300, on bm it's 200, on barb 200, on seeker it's around 150. The only reason BM/Sin/Barb are doing well in PV is because of BP, Seekers def is too high so they don't really need BP that much. The only reason wizards and archers can do pulls is because archers/wizards have almost same phys.def and both of them can kite easily with their knockback skills. I find that on a Psychic it's a suicide pulling more than 20 mobs in white voodoo, on cleric 15 is enough to kill you in few seconds - running away back always takes a lot of time and then going back, and repeating.
It would be nice if AA's could at least pull half of what a sin can pull. Everyone who said that AAs have high damage that compensate for the lack of defence, well it's not high if you die without using it.
Wasting 2 sparks on 10 mobs is annoying and very un-playable... The only reason I can level my cleric is because newbies sins/archers/bms can pull and never find out they could solo it easily.

[DignityPK]

-1 to this suggestion. I finish pv in 5-10 mins on all mages, depending on the class. I do two big pulls on ALL aa classes. Whether it be veno, cleric, mystic, psychic, or wizard. Just 2 big pulls and done. Just have to know how to play your class, like others have said.

Hello there, since you are that fast I would love to see you show me a video of you finishing PV in 7 minutes with 130 Armor and 145 Nirvana weapon, no pills too Thanks!
Just saying it's really likely to be what you're saying is bullshit.
First of all, you already lied, it's impossible to do 135 with 2 pulls unless you're a lucky sin - Why? Because at the start after the mobs there is a wall of freezers and there is shytload of freezers everywhere, you get frozen as AA you're instantly dead.
Second of all, I tried doing pulls - I die from 40 mobs if each of them hits me once.
Waiting for your proof, you can show me in-game if you want since you are so good at all classes .

[Nea]

Meng, it's not about game being broken, it's the logic u use.
SOME CLASSES aren't supposed to do some things.
You can't expect a Wizz to tank 1 squad of people or 1 instance, and also deal 200-250k damage , enough to 1shot the mobs...
You can't expect a EP to be able to deal damage while it's meant to support people and after 1.4.2, to DD people good enough
You can't expect a sin to heal and stay there geting hitted without using spark and sh1t...
Every class has a con and a +. This looks like a QQ thread, 'My class is weak' No. The player is.

[DignityPK]

Meng, it's not about game being broken, it's the logic u use.
SOME CLASSES aren't supposed to do some things.
You can't expect a Wizz to tank 1 squad of people or 1 instance, and also deal 200-250k damage , enough to 1shot the mobs...
You can't expect a EP to be able to deal damage while it's meant to support people and after 1.4.2, to DD people good enough
You can't expect a sin to heal and stay there geting hitted without using spark and sh1t...
Every class has a con and a +. This looks like a QQ thread, 'My class is weak' No. The player is.

I never said the game is broken, this is just a private server so I thought what would it change.
A wiz can't tank in PV but it can kite, something PSY/EP can't do.
No, I can't expect a sin to heal and stay without doing anything - I can expect he is just afk.
You just said that AA classes are weak for tanking/soloing instances at the same time you said "My class is weak No." I think your logic is a little bit weak . Also, have you ever been hit by a metal DD cleric in UVD? I hope not if your saying an EP can't do decent damage - it's enough to 2 shot sins.

[Steroids]

I am pretty sure most of the people who say it is easy for cleric never even tried to solo PV, first of all I am not implying it's impossible - I am saying that it takes too long comparing to other classes - Soloing PV problems with my psy started at PV125, eventually I got to 135 and it was way too long - around 40 minute for each PV comparing to 5 minutes it takes BM/Barb/Seeker/Sin to do it.
On my cleric I didn't really have problems in 125 but at 135 it was taking around 30 minutes to solo it because of the extremely small pulls and chi gain problems/genie energy.
On my cleric I get hit 700 from each mob, on my psychic in black it's 1k in white it' 500, on a wizard it's 600, on sin/archer it's 300, on bm it's 200, on barb 200, on seeker it's around 150. The only reason BM/Sin/Barb are doing well in PV is because of BP, Seekers def is too high so they don't really need BP that much. The only reason wizards and archers can do pulls is because archers/wizards have almost same phys.def and both of them can kite easily with their knockback skills. I find that on a Psychic it's a suicide pulling more than 20 mobs in white voodoo, on cleric 15 is enough to kill you in few seconds - running away back always takes a lot of time and then going back, and repeating.
It would be nice if AA's could at least pull half of what a sin can pull. Everyone who said that AAs have high damage that compensate for the lack of defence, well it's not high if you die without using it.
Wasting 2 sparks on 10 mobs is annoying and very un-playable... The only reason I can level my cleric is because newbies sins/archers/bms can pull and never find out they could solo it easily.

Okay well, it's going to take some time to reply to that.

1. I didn't say it was easy for a cleric, I just said I've seen a lot of clerics easily solo PV. Again, PV isn't the only way to get EXP. Hell, it's not even the only instance to get EXP from.

2. It took you 40 minutes....on a Psychic? Answer honestly, did you kill 1 mob at a time? It barely took me 10 minutes on my Psychic, would've been 7 minutes or so if I had better speed (and concentration, whew) but 10 isn't bad either.

3. Yes, barbs/bm/seekers take 5 minutes. Not because they can pull and tank like a God or because they have BP. It's because their movement speed is naturally better than AA classes + they have skills to increase it. (except barb but well, Tiger form = win) Also, PV is mostly physical mobs, which means, HA classes with pdef will be able to pull more. Not to mention, those classes are MEANT to pull.

4. It's good that you check how much the mobs hit you but well....on a psychic, you can use AoE stun and/or Psychic will, mystics = heals, wizard = expel, cleric = heals, venos = no idea but someone else could tell you what to do as a veno.

5. BP. Is. Not. Why. HA. Classes. Can. Do. PV.
I never had BP when I did PV on my barb. BM can easily make do without BP (Roar of the pride -> HF -> AoE spam) Seekers, you said it yourself, easy tank. If uncertain, pull a lot (1/2 to full PV) and use AD while Vortex.
Sins, well, they rely on BP but that's their own buff, so, you really shouldn't be arguing about it. Also, PV on a sin isn't as good as FC (even more now that FC gives more EXP)

6. Lol. Psychics can only pull 20 at a time. And AA classes can't pull half of what HA can. Okay. I think you really do kill mobs 1 by 1. I'd advise reading:

You can waste 50 silver on Training Esoterica to get x1.5 EXP but, here's a little trick to get that for free.

Talk to a Perfect Quartermaster (432 888) and take the Quest Mastery 2.



You get 5 Scarlet Fruit Packs and 5 Martial Arts Scrolls.

The Scarlet Fruits only give 88,880 EXP each, not important. Take the Martial Arts Scroll to a Martial Arts Master -> FC Material Exchange



You get 5 scrolls per character (110 level toon can get 'em as well, just do the quests that you get while levelling. You just have to talk to a few NPCs and viola, you get the scrolls) and the scrolls are tradeable. The final product isn't but you can trade the scrolls.

There you have it, infinite supply of Esoterica.

The most popular way of levelling. Well, for sins, archers and clerics, I'd recommend doing this till 140 only. Till 140, you can use basic AoEs and level. As long as you do dailies, 140 should be no problem.

Now, after 140, I expect you to have at least 1st Fairy, Primal Gear/Demonic Gear, and of course, all your skills.

First of all, try and get Bloodpaint buff from a sin. Basic one is fine, so, you can dual client a noob sin to buff yourself unless you have a sin friend who's willing to do it.

Buff yourself and have at least 250 chi (2 sparks + 50 chi)

Start pulling and use Holy Path or Cloud Sprint to speed it up. I used to pull 1/3 PV 135+ on mine so, you can do that, or 1/2, don't aim for full though. Keep your axe equipped.

Once you think you have enough, quickly use Alter Marrow: Physical. Then walk into the enemies coming at you and use Roar of the Pride. Then use Heaven's Flame -> Highland Cleave -> Fissure -> Drake Sweep. If they aren't dead yet, switch to claws/fists and use Cyclone Heel. If they still not dead, switch to axes and repeat (excluding Heaven's Flame) Obviously, if they're not dead after you're done with your axe combo, you might have to use Roar of the Pride again.

Try to get Spirit of Defense pills or barb buffs from a friend/alt. You can still do good without it but well, you can pull 1/3 PV with those buffs.

Buff yourself with Stone Barrier and Frostblade and have at least 2 sparks. Also, get a genie with Expel on it and it should always have at least 125 energy. Start pulling and once you think you have enough, cast The Dragon's Breath on a mob. When the other mobs catch up to you, use Expel. Don't stop channelling Dragon's Breath until all nearby enemies are killed.

First of all, get Panda Form and True form (Mighty).

Buff yourself, you can leave the accuracy buff though. You don't need Bloodpaint (sin) but you can get it just in case. Get at least 2 sparks before starting the pull. Pull in Tiger/Panda form (ofc)

Once you pull at least 1/4 or 1/3 PV, use Sunder -> Human Form -> Armageddon -> Slam -> Tiger Form -> Surf Impact. If they don't die after that, you can repeat the Slam and Surf Impact (add Firestorm in it, if you want)

First of all, demon or not, Nova is a MUST. However, pulls will be hell easier if you're demon  since the HF+Seal+Freeze  is pretty secsi, my pulls usually died within the first Nova+2xNoxious gas. Make sure you have enough genie energy/chi to cast any survival skill if the mobs don't die with the first combo. Also, don't forget you're a fast class if you don't have genie energy/chi to survive, kite the mobs and keep noxious gasing them, do not do never stand still to them.

ALWAYS HAVE bramble shield up. Another way apart from  nova combo and the one I find most effective is to pull your mobs let them all come to you and then: AD->Bramble Hood->Keep Noxious Gasing them all.  Bramble will reflect nasty dmg to melee mobs and will kill them in seconds but keep in mind you're squishy as paper so if they don't die while Bramble Hood is up, you will be **ked in seconds, so make it faster and safer by noxious gasing too. Keep in mind I said to AD first before you bramble hood or the cast can get interrupted causing your death in 3 seconds. 

Go into White Voodoo and get at least 2 sparks. Start pulling and when you think you have enough (I pulled at least 1/3 PV) Use Psychic Will -> Black Voodoo -> Earth Vector -> Aqua Cannon -> Glacial Shards -> Sandburst Blast. Repeat the last 3 skills if they don't die, but you might have to use Earth Vector again.

First of all, get Bloodpaint from a sin or an alt. Basic one would do. Then, buff yourself with Atk levels and Adrenal Numbness.

Start pulling and when you have enough (1/3 or 1/2) use Holy Path and run away from the mobs and use Yataghan Vortex on a mob away from the army following you. Once the mobs catch up to you, you'll be invincible in BP infused Vortex.

For this one, get a few Dew of Star Protection. (You get 10 from 1 Mystical Elixir at Boutique Forge)

Buff yourself. Verdant Shell is a must. Invigorate, if possible. Get full chi.

Start pulling with Devil Chihyu summoned (no real reason, he's just supposed to be bait, the poor guy) Once you get enough (I pulled 1/3) 2 spark, then use the Dew. Then, Rapid Growth -> Lucky Break (if you have it) -> Gale Force -> Break in the Clouds till Gale cool downs and then Gale Force again. Repeat the last part till every mob dies.

After 140, you should be living in FC. To enter



To open, you have to be in a squad of two (at least) and have leadership. Talk to the NPC inside, Lin Yan.



Anyway, stay in stealth till you come across a Glacial Shade. Kill the Shade and go back to stealth and then walk to bosses. You have to stealth to the bosses, kill them, and pick the mats. You get a lot of EXP from the bosses itself but the mats can be converted to EXP at a Martial Arts Master (248 648)

1 purple mat = 5 Orders of Blessing = 200,000 EXP
1 gold mat = 25 Orders of Blessing = 1,000,000 EXP

I haven't played clerics but I've been told that PV isn't a good way (if you're soloing) So, go with full GV runs. As a cleric, it's very easy to find full GV squads. GV is rewarding in terms of EXP and EC/items so, it might take a little longer but it's definitely worth it.

Another one up for suggestions. Although, you can do GV if you're willing to go into PK mode for it. It's not that difficult to find a GV squad as an archer.

I leveled mine with Level Scrolls because I got tired and I'm lazy :< But one thing that helped me was to do the same combo as wizard but with barrage of arrows, I usually targeted an increased life/ increased defense mob and casted barrage on them, then cast expel and they should die to them crits. 

Yes, I did mention getting BP but that is as a safety precaution. I have tried and successfully done PV under 10 minutes without BP on those chars using the same combo.

[Nea]

I never said the game is broken, this is just a private server so I thought what would it change.
A wiz can't tank in PV but it can kite, something PSY/EP can't do.
No, I can't expect a sin to heal and stay without doing anything - I can expect he is just afk.
You just said that AA classes are weak for tanking/soloing instances at the same time you said "My class is weak No." I think your logic is a little bit weak . Also, have you ever been hit by a metal DD cleric in UVD? I hope not if your saying an EP can't do decent damage - it's enough to 2 shot sins.

'After 1.4.2' i mentioned that atm EP deals a good damage.
1.You are not that enlightened when is about pve since u say that it takes A LOT to do PV with EP/Psy/any arcane, when it's not really true. Pots are available for every1, genies aswell, 3spark aswell, CC also. + the new blessboxes.
2.You try to make people that -1 ur thread just seem wrong when they are just stating the truth, THERE IS NO NEED OF PVE BOOST for arcanes or any other class
3.If u can't make it through pv, that's why aga added Level and super level scrolls, for people that are either lazy, either stupid. The side u choose..depends.

[Neve]

I am pretty sure most of the people who say it is easy for cleric never even tried to solo PV, first of all I am not implying it's impossible - I am saying that it takes too long comparing to other classes - Soloing PV problems with my psy started at PV125, eventually I got to 135 and it was way too long - around 40 minute for each PV comparing to 5 minutes it takes BM/Barb/Seeker/Sin to do it.
On my cleric I didn't really have problems in 125 but at 135 it was taking around 30 minutes to solo it because of the extremely small pulls and chi gain problems/genie energy.
On my cleric I get hit 700 from each mob, on my psychic in black it's 1k in white it' 500, on a wizard it's 600, on sin/archer it's 300, on bm it's 200, on barb 200, on seeker it's around 150. The only reason BM/Sin/Barb are doing well in PV is because of BP, Seekers def is too high so they don't really need BP that much. The only reason wizards and archers can do pulls is because archers/wizards have almost same phys.def and both of them can kite easily with their knockback skills. I find that on a Psychic it's a suicide pulling more than 20 mobs in white voodoo, on cleric 15 is enough to kill you in few seconds - running away back always takes a lot of time and then going back, and repeating.
It would be nice if AA's could at least pull half of what a sin can pull. Everyone who said that AAs have high damage that compensate for the lack of defence, well it's not high if you die without using it.
Wasting 2 sparks on 10 mobs is annoying and very un-playable... The only reason I can level my cleric is because newbies sins/archers/bms can pull and never find out they could solo it easily.

If you are a Cleric and 15 mobs kill you within seconds.. youre definitly doing something wrong. Sorry
You have IH and Plume Shell, right?
You have either Sage Vanguard Spirit or Demon Stream of Rejuvention.
Guardian Light, Wings of Protection...

And no it does not take 30 mins either. At least not for everyone. Didnt for me, doesnt for most from what i read here.