So lately I have noticed that all it takes to win PK is to have a few archers that spam arrows with a cleric and some meatshields. How about we give venos their job back and replace all Blackhole stats on dragon weapons with Soul Shatter?(change Archer's bow and melee class' pike[and maybe add an 0.05 interval as recompensation to pikes] into "Dragon Weapon Token", which would let owners recraft their dragon weps again, with changed stats) You can keep r8r blackhole, since ppl that want it would sacrifice attack lvl/def lvl/other stats they could use on r8r to get it and archers wouldn't have -0.10 interval on it.I mostly want archers to loose it, since they already can kill pretty much anyone easily with their super high interval/casting.If archers were meant to have an easy chance for purge, they would have a skill that would let them have it. "PWI developers added blackhole for a reason"? Before, when PWI didn't focus on making money off cash shoppers as much, there was only the soul shatter stat. I wonder why (maybe because it didnt break balance?) On p.servers, where everyone can get it without spending any money or years of farming, that's kinda balance breaking. Doing this, people would make more venos to purge people, which would make PK more interesting than just having 23407 archers spam arrows for the purge effect.Inb4haterage from all those 1mil random archers that love pressing 3 skills and autoattack/mashing keyboard with insta cast to kill.Inb4 "Archers are weak, don't nerf them more". Ofc they aren't weak, you can see that because everyone uses them.(I will not reply to this thread to avoid any sort of drama/intents of trolling)
You are plain wrong about the speed. If you get an EA to shoot something you will have more purges over the same time than a veno can put on it. Venos just get to plan when they use their purge, archers however purge much more frequently.I suppose it isn't fair to remove the proc from bows with random rolls, wouldn't be an issue for dragon but for primal and nirvana bows yea.Easiest would be to reduce proc rate of Spirit Blackhole to that 3% and then adjust Soul Shatter to 2% to maintain the value of the adds.A few percents is huge. 5% is one every 20 shots on average. Those 0.30 blackhole bows you mention allow some sins to reach 2.0 int and above, add to that randomness and they purge 3-4 times faster than venos.Almost every EA has over 1 aps which means they too purge faster than venos.Making the rates equal isn't neccesary though, just reduce both adds accordingly.
Are u fkin dumb ? Do you play the same game i do ? first of all, archers get 1 hit by almost all classes second of all sage archer is a popular class, demon isn't sage archers hit at 0.8 or 0.9 with dragon bow max with 5% purge rate u purge every 20 hits.So lets look at venos, almost all good venos are pretty much insta cast. Have fox form which sky rockets their defense to pretty much that of a BM. Apart from a pet which stun locks better than most BMs on this server. Bramble hood reduction. The physical damage reflect skill. Oh lets not forget your veno immune skill. Most venos have vit/ magic genie spam AD and expel for days. Lets assume your not poor as fk and have sutra pots thats around 5 mins of recyclable immune time / defense time which archer cant do sh1t.Sure if your looking for balance make venos support class again reduce their channeling by a lot and then reduce purge bow chances or w/e.Lets also look at the nerfs archers have received in the past billion patches. So archers have poop defense, all they had was pretty much sh1t loads of anti stuns, to translate anti stuns into defense would mean IGs but our well educated developers thought it was a good idea to make IGs retardedly hard to get making them pretty much a 1 hit to any class which nuke and crit.Some clever guy suggested that psys need a buff, so our brilliant developer again made a brilliant call to let them refine their weapon to +12, meaning archers with 4 magic ornis + def level wepon get 1 hit by psys on crits, i mean hell yea archers so opd !!Lets not forget the 10% nerf from 20% channel blessing........... so some retarded sin died in a 1v1 to an archer, WHAT BLASPHEMY !!!! the forums erupted with "ZOMG archers are OPd threads", then are brilliant dev with years of PW knowledge decided to reduce the channel blessing such wise calls.So our protagonist was sitting on his chair thinking "Hmm how can i fk archers even more". Then he decided that marriage blessing are the trick, lets give all classes +6 attack level and +6 defense level, lets make archers compromise on that 10% msave which pretty much is the only reason the use Wingrise or Stunning arrow before a disable from any other classes.Then came sirens of war, archer BV didnt reduce their own maximum HP BY 20% !! AND A 2 MINUTE COOLDOWN !??!?!?!?! AWAKEN 5 MIN COOLDOWN WTF PWI DEVS DUMB Our protagonist was enraged, he pulled his latop in fury and decided to come up with ideas to nerf this wretched class !!!While a brainstorming session ensued, PWI answer their calls, delivered a brilliant new patch called "New Horizons". Many people asked for who. So archers got this brilliant new skill which does wood damage over time !!!!! OMG PERFECT BALANCE SUCH DAMAGE SUCH WOOD MUCH WOW MAGIC DAMAGE #BALANCE ? Lets change wingspan into a cool new name which does pretty much the same thing hehe i bet these idiot archers will fall for it !! So archers have anti stun hmmm lets give barbs a skill that stuns through anti stuns HEHEHE. Sins were never Opd such a weak classes its not like they can 3 hit ppl before their charm ticks in aps mode pfftt, lets give em a new skill called Elimination !!! not opd at all. Wizards such weak classes since genie spark + undine doesnt make ur fire resistance pretty much 0 , lets randomly combine two other skills and make em heiro bug these archers !! that ll teach em a lesson. Lets give metal mages 0 sec cyclone on an insta cast server ! this way archers can no longer live hahaha. Venos were so weak in the past patches they just won 80% of the 1v1 tourneys before so they need a buff, hmmmm lets give em a pet monkey which stuns ppl every 3 secs HAHAH THAT OUGHT TO TEACH THEM ARCHERS !!If you cry about archers being OPd, your brain dead. go to a doctor or delete your forums account cuz ur just bad.If your crying about archer spirit blackhole being 5%, im assuming that the lack of breast feeding caused low IQ and this post.Your a veno, because of the retarded moves done on this server you have the potential to kill on an originally intended support class, you have had pets which have done single bleed kills in the past. Stop trying to nerf other classes when your playing the most opd class in EPW. Demon veno, if you disagree go listen to Justin Beiber and die.Im done, rage over !
first of all, archers get 1 hit by almost all classes
second of all sage archer is a popular class, demon isn't sage archers hit at 0.8 or 0.9 with dragon bow max with 5% purge rate u purge every 20 hits.
So lets look at venos, almost all good venos are pretty much insta cast.
Have fox form which sky rockets their defense to pretty much that of a BM.
Apart from a pet which stun locks better than most BMs on this server. Bramble hood reduction. The physical damage reflect skill. Oh lets not forget your veno immune skill. Most venos have vit/ magic genie spam AD and expel for days. Lets assume your not poor as fk and have sutra pots thats around 5 mins of recyclable immune time / defense time which archer cant do sh1t.
Sure if your looking for balance make venos support class again reduce their channeling by a lot and then reduce purge bow chances or w/e.
Lets also look at the nerfs archers have received in the past billion patches.
So archers have poop defense
all they had was pretty much sh1t loads of anti stuns, to translate anti stuns into defense would mean IGs but our well educated developers thought it was a good idea to make IGs retardedly hard to get making them pretty much a 1 hit to any class which nuke and crit.
Some clever guy suggested that psys need a buff, so our brilliant developer again made a brilliant call to let them refine their weapon to +12, meaning archers with 4 magic ornis + def level wepon get 1 hit by psys on crits, i mean hell yea archers so opd !!
Lets not forget the 10% nerf from 20% channel blessing........... so some retarded sin died in a 1v1 to an archer, WHAT BLASPHEMY !!!! the forums erupted with "ZOMG archers are OPd threads", then are brilliant dev with years of PW knowledge decided to reduce the channel blessing such wise calls.
So our protagonist was sitting on his chair thinking "Hmm how can i fk archers even more".
Then he decided that marriage blessing are the trick, lets give all classes +6 attack level and +6 defense level, lets make archers compromise on that 10% msave which pretty much is the only reason the use Wingrise or Stunning arrow before a disable from any other classes.
So archers got this brilliant new skill which does wood damage over time !!!!! OMG PERFECT BALANCE SUCH DAMAGE SUCH WOOD MUCH WOW MAGIC DAMAGE #BALANCE ?
So archers have anti stun hmmm lets give barbs a skill that stuns through anti stuns HEHEHE.
If you cry about archers being OPd, your brain dead. go to a doctor or delete your forums account cuz ur just bad.
If your crying about archer spirit blackhole being 5%, im assuming that the lack of breast feeding caused low IQ and this post.
Im done, rage over !
http://epicpw.com/index.php?page=ranking8 demon archers in the top 25 archer pk kills chart and your crying about spirit black hole ? Go get a life and a bionic brain.
Nearly the entire top100 is archers and sins.But they're not OP, of course.
Have u ever lost a 1v1 to an archer let alone demon archer ? answer honestly.
