Barbiarian

[Kenzarox⚡]

You can go back and forth trying to discuss the differences between one another and what makes one better than the other but fact is demon is just better.

Being one of the oldest WB players still around i can assure you, demon is the only viable option.

All the other old WB players also play demon. In Xpendable most of our catas are demon.

I'm not going to tell you why. I'll just say demon is alpha in both solo and mass pk.

Fk all dat, YOUR INI DOE! ;*

[Reims]

○Feral Regeneration gives a lot of regeneration in Demon
○Poison Fang A lot of damage
○Stomp of the Beast King Never Miss

But Holy
●Penetrate Armor Drop defense to 45%
●Bestial Onslaught Never miss
●Strength of the Titans Give more damage
●Shapeshifting Intensity Give more armors

So I dont see why demon are that much way stronger

In terms of skills that increase dmg. both culti's get buffs that increase their dmg. so in human form normal attacks will be pretty much the same dmg.

In tiger form Demon>Sage in dmg. due to demon tiger form that removes the dmg. penelty.

As for defense in tiger form obviously sage is way better due to Shapeshifting intensity and tiger form.
Thats why Sage barbs are better than demons in NW/TW where they mostly are needed to survive the most time, but that doesn't mean that demon barbs are not efficient in NW/TW it just depends on your timing with skills/pots.

For 1v1/pvp demon barbs are better for many things.

 

[₤ίɭ₮]

Hi everybody,

I normally play Barbs on other servers and Sage barbs were stronger because of their tankyness but here it seems like demon are stronger.. Can someone explain me what make them stronger? or what is the difference because I dont see much differences but if we look at the top 100, the big majority is demon.

Also, can someone suggest me what genie I should get , what skills and attribute on it ?

Thanks a lot

Demon here is stronger because of demon beastial onslaught + the various yet predictable APS combos that usually follows. However, sage is naturally the strongest. Smart sage barbs hit like trucks and its rare to see even the strongest demon barbs deal the damage that an experienced sage barb can. Sage come at a disadvantage when they try to APS, unless they have a r8 3x into bracer, and its damn difficult to dph most HA classes. Its not many sage dph barbs here anymore, but you can ask Vannacutt(?) for a badass sage build... even though he went demon APS now xD

[Harry]

In terms of skills that increase dmg. both culti's get buffs that increase their dmg. so in human form normal attacks will be pretty much the same dmg.

In tiger form Demon>Sage in dmg. due to demon tiger form that removes the dmg. penelty.

As for defense in tiger form obviously sage is way better due to Shapeshifting intensity and tiger form.
Thats why Sage barbs are better than demons in NW/TW where they mostly are needed to survive the most time, but that doesn't mean that demon barbs are not efficient in NW/TW it just depends on your timing with skills/pots.

For 1v1/pvp demon barbs are better for many things.

 

Sage WBs get a buff to increase damage by 50% Instead of 40%. 10% wep. damage is quite a bit. So in Human, they hit differently.

[₤ίɭ₮]

Sage WBs get a buff to increase damage by 50% Instead of 40%. 10% wep. damage is quite a bit. So in Human, they hit differently.

I didn't know you were sage dph until I read siggy. I feel bad

[Magnanimous]

Demon has higher damage potential than sage, mainly because of spam-able demon onslaught which temporarily gives +40% crit rate. Demon gains more 100% more accuracy with bloodbath. Demon is the better choice for dealing burst damage and picking up kills.

Sage has higher survival index: with sage true form (10% more max hp), shapeshift(slightly more pdef) and sage 3-spark (dmg reduction). Sage has higher potential as dedicated tanks/cata barbs. Sage also has easier time building chi, with enhanced true form (20chi for each conversion) and master li' technique, and can spam more of those chi-dependent utility skills like invoke, berserker wrath, and raging slap.

I would generally suggest a strength-base genie (zero extra dex, medium-high magic/vitality). Get more than 1 genie if possible, each specialising for a particular purpose (e.g: one for group pk, another for 1v1). Common genie skills are as follows:
Survival: Solid Shield (mini invoke), Absolute Domain, Tree of protection(can be combo with arma for more damage)
Utility: Faith, Fortify (keep at lvl1, to combo with Iron Guard)
CC: Occult Ice
Standard mobility: Holy Path
Debuff: Tangling Mire.
+Tons of situational skills (most are strength-base): Mantle ripple of death (chi burn), True emptiness, Frenzy, Mantle ripple of rage, a bunch of elemental-immune skills (oxygen bubble, soul of fire, nullify poison), reflective aura, whirlwind (keep at lvl1, for 1sec immob), etc....

[rockythequestion]

I see a lot of you talking about APS but if I dont play claws I wont benefit this choice so if I dont play claws I am almost better to go dark and play more for NW and TW no? Ahah sorry guys Im so confuse I feel like going sage I wont do anything in PK but that if I go demon I wont do much in TW Also my sage build would be full str for general use but full vit for NW and TW

And for genie what you mean for mid magic/vit around how much stats should I get?

Sorry again for my noob skills lol

[₤ίɭ₮]

Go full sage + str. Get DS neck + ascended supreme robe. Get str(or atk lvls/crit) on accessories. Get atk lvl/str cards. Put str stones on weap and/or a gloom stone if it still exists. As for genie, experiment with str genies, there's a lot of good examples on this thread. Full r8 with str stats, but if you get accuracy on r8 top, keep it.

[rockythequestion]

Awesome thanks Lil You are my idol ahha

[Magnanimous]

For genie, (my) medium is around 50~75 pts, high is 75+ (sometimes 100+)

Illustration:
One of the common genie build used by barbs is the spam-occult-ice genie (good for small scale pvp, easy to use for beginners). Occult ice has very low chance of success (30%), but scales very well with strength. So, if you have 80 str, the success rates increases to 30+(80/2)=70% (which is decent). So, add strength up to an acceptable level, then, dump the rest of the point into magic and vitality . Since you want to spam as much occult ice (to be as annoying as possible), magic will be the 2nd most important stat (to regenerate more genie energy). Ultimately, you will end up with something like: high str (80), minimum dex (3or5), medium vit(60), high magic(75+), (with genie gear equipped in magic/str).

Being demon doesnt stop you from being a tank, just like being sage doesnt stop you from being a good DD. You can always use different genie/gear to cope for the lack of damage/or defences depending on situation. E.g A demon barb with r8r weapon with def lvl, full vit, all defensive gear and a dedicated cata genie with only survival skills, can make a great catabarb. A sage barb, with a bunch of att lvl/str in the gear, full str and a pk genie can still pick up many kills. So, pick the cultivation base on what you want the most (either be a versatile DD or a dedicated-tank), then use your free time/extra money to build a 2nd set of gear and try different genie builds so that you still can enjoy the other style/aspects of the game.

[rockythequestion]

Thanks a lot for your help guys , I really appreciate it! Thanks a lot and alot!

[SQUISHY BARB]

i have both r8 barb demon and sage.
APS ; go demon. theres really nothing to think about.
CATA  ; both are good. TRue form (Mighty) after SOW patch changed the game. no more dmg reduction and both cultis get same HP and pdef. so if u go sage its really just for sage 3 spark(dmg reduce) and Sage buffs.
DPH STR : i prefer Sage over Demon but most people go with DEmon. i won't say why i do but. just try and see for yourself.
now for DPH  TIGer mode(CAMP ALL day DDr) - demon.
have fun. barb is easy class and fun as well.

[SQUISHY BARB]

○Feral Regeneration gives a lot of regeneration in Demon
○Poison Fang A lot of damage
○Stomp of the Beast King Never Miss

But Holy
●Penetrate Armor Drop defense to 45%
●Bestial Onslaught Never miss
●Strength of the Titans Give more damage
●Shapeshifting Intensity Give more armors

So I dont see why demon are that much way stronger

even tho i play sage STR DPH. i believe demons are considered stronger by many because of:
1.) bestial onslaught and u will crit a lot more than sage.
2.) a slightly better stun than sage.
2.) u get more dmge from poison and that will help more against HA than raw damage which is affected by pdef.
3.)your strongest human form skill(stomp) will never miss. dont say arma it's not really viable unless you build your char and genie for it and focus only on AOE damaging clusters of people in mass pk. ( you can kill a lot of EAs and arcanes if you time the skill right with tangling mire, tree of protectiom/ demon bestial onslaught/demon sunder.
4.) Demon Sunder = it is the most OP skill a barb has. all attacks including sunder will be critical (100%) for 5 secs.
devour+tangling mire+demon sunder+ancestral rage is a good 1 shot combo. Hiero ftw hit like a  giant asteroid.
5.) APS.
wear 3 pcs HA dragon 2pcs LA dragon get 300 dex ithink for claws and good crit rate then when you 1v1 sum1 go. use pot fire wood or w/e (for HA classes)

Devour+Stun+3spark+Occult Ice+Bestial Onslaught(will make you crit like a sin)+switch to claws then pew pew pew. if after 4-5 secs he still has good amount of HP switch to axe then mighty swing(will stun/paralyze him) +violent triumph(anti-stun) then back to claws Pew pew pew = GG, rekt,easied. of course good players will counter but you will learn what to do when you get used to it.

if you have Dama ores for reshapes try for x3 interval on r8 bracers then wear it with x2 Dragon HA and x2 dragon LA you will have base 4.00 with claws and base 3.33 with edges. dual edges will be good for 3spark cuz you'd be 5.00 with stronger damage. have fun man. but be careful of mage classes they kick our behinds bad when we go pure attack mode.

[rockythequestion]

Awesome! I didn't know that with the patch the demon barbs were benefitting the same pdef and number of health than sage! I think I will convert to demon then!

Thanks AGAIN!

[SQUISHY BARB]

Awesome! I didn't know that with the patch the demon barbs were benefitting the same pdef and number of health than sage! I think I will convert to demon then!

Thanks AGAIN!

shapeshifting intensify and buffs are stil different so sage still has better survivability than demon( but it doesnt really mean much).  true form is the same is what i meant. so demon can survive just as good as sage barbs save the 3spark damage reduce factor which when used can give slightly more survivability but will not save you from full squad AA just the same.